And people that are smart enough to distinguish between fact and fiction can usually discern that issue right away without even doing their own research if they are familiar with the subject matter.

So are you saying the information in the article is false or misleading?

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

So then what's so special about the .45? Compared to the .40?

Hint: You can get all the numbers from that Wickipedia article.

 

If you say so, guess it's like you working on your truck, you have a hammer and use that one hammer to do all the work on your truck, instead of using a different tool for each job, especially when you need to do different things to remove a exhaust and install a new one, pull a injector or two or even change the oil and do a lube job....

Sorry to see you do not have a tool box full of tools to work on your truck with, that's really sad...

See the rifle on the left of the safe, it's zeroed at 600 yards, I'll not use a .22 rifle to hit a milk carton at 600yards when I've got that rifle....Pick the correct tool for the job.....


Sure, since you did such a superb job about staying on subject & did not hijack the thread to gator killings with cool videos we can switch gears again at your request & talk about fashion.

Here is a picture of Rampy at the 2010 Shot Show in Vegas, now we can all agree he's a tad on the "thin" size and needs to gain some weight, but how about the styling haircut, the sexy shades & the tacticool matching pants/shirt accessorized with a Blackhawk 3 day pack full of SWAG, James Bond 007 watch band and biner key chain with a old and worn LaRue Dillo



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Now without using google.....no cheating on this pop quiz....

What group of people put more emphasis on numbers than real world results.....

What bunch of professional shooters uses the 40 S&W and what bunch of professional shooters use the 45 ACP...

Both military and civilian....

What caliber of bullet has the best/most proven track record, the greatest number of "kills" the greatest number of deployments on the hips of shooters who's lives might just depend on the pistol/caliber and can pick any caliber/pistol they want....

Hint.....it's not the 40 S&W........

 

Has anybody challenged the size of my Internet ***** yet or am I free to go on playing with my Daisy Red Ryder?

 

Good entry point Begle!

I believe all the cards are now on the table, fact has been seperated from myth and opinion, although I think there may still still be an opening for some Internet ***** embellishment, if you so desire!!

 

Nope, your ***** has not been mentioned till you breached the subject.

However, it's been said that handymanherb has a internet flaccid ***** the size of a African-American **** star while Rampy's hard ***** is the size of a gerbil.....

 

NadirPoint good reading thanks for the link and Rampfart we now have the same hair cut, short and weak

 

I think I know what Ramprat's issue is with the .40S&W. Back when Smith first introduced it, they tried to pass it off as the "magic bullet". The pistol round to end ALL debate as to what the "best" pistol caliber to be had was.

They touted the "advantages" of the .40S&W as: bigger and more powerful than a 9mm but more shots than a .45 auto. While what they claim is true (to a degree), it can also be turned around to make the .40 look like a red-headed step-child.

While the .40S&W bullet is larger and heavier than a 9mm's slug, it is also slower and lacks the penetration the 9mm is famous for. LEO's claim it's more likely to be at least partially deflected off of barriers, such as a car windshield, than the 9mm, when shot from an angle.

Also, in identical pistols, the .40 gives up magazine capacity. While it's usually only 3-4 rounds at the most, a lot of people don't feel the "extra" power offered by the .40 justifies the loss of the number of bangs in the mag.

When compared to the .45 auto... well sometimes there is no comparison. While the classic .45 bullet is slow (230grn @ 850 fps) when compared to the heavy bullet used in the .40 S&W (180grn @ 1000fps), the .45 can be had in bullet weights as low as 165grn at a velocity of 1250fps (Corbon), with is 50 fps faster than a standard-loaded .40S&W loaded with a 155 grn bullet!

For a "Apples to Apples" comparison between the .40S&W and the .45 auto, look no further than the ballistics table for Speer Ammo, who offer the excellent Gold Dot line of defensive ammo.

.40S&W - 180 grn Gold Dot = 1025fps.

.45 auto - 18[B]5[B] grn Gold Dot = 1050fps

And let's not even mention the +P loadings for the .45. CorBon offers a 230 grainer clocking nearly 1000 fps!

Now some people will say, "but the .40S&W in an identical pistol will hold more rounds than it will in .45 auto". That is not necessarily the case. One need look no further than the Springfield XD. An excellent pistol by just about everyone's standards, their service model, when chambered in .45 auto, actually holds MORE shots in the mag than the .40! (13+1 vs 12+1)

So the way I see it, you can buy a .40 S&W and be happy (I sure as hell wouldn't want to be shot by one!). Or you can buy a 9mm and have greater magazine capacity and penetration while giving up a meager amount of impact force. Or you can buy a Springfield XD in .45 auto, feed it with some Corbon 230 grn +P's or 165 grainers, which will knock just about any .40 S&W loading right out of it's shoes, and have an EXTRA round in the mag to boot!

Where's the "advantages" of the .40 S&W again?

 

WHAT, you insulted Rampy by calling him Rampfart......that's a hard core personal attack and I'm sure Rumpy is offended & butt hurt....

Here's Rampfarts office, word out on teh street is he's trolling for a 40 GSW the last 40 short and week GSW Rampfart saw was on the hand & a contact one at that with some cool powder burns...

 

cant believe i took the time to read all of that...couple minutes of worth while knowledge and the rest was one guy being a complete doushbag

 

All excellent points! Now if we could find just find one more variable to throw into the mix we'll have a truly unsolveable argument:

Ammo + guns + " " = the winner!

How about what gun with what load is best to shoot a burglar, a mugger or a varmit at various different ranges under varying weather conditions?