Hey guys,
New to to the forum here. I am planning on doing 205cc injectors, and maintaining my stock turbo for 6-12 months till I can muster up the cash for a larger turbo to match the injectors. I was told elsewhere that I would have to delete the stock fuel pressure regulator in order to run the 205's. I am doing studs, egr delete, oil cooler etc at the same time as the injectors, so I figurde i'll also do a regulated return. So my question is do I have to delete the stock FPR? And if so, how does one "delete" it?

On a side note, what turbo does everyone suggest to match the 205's? Give be all the suggestions you've got. I dont want to limit my options by $$. I would rather wait a little longer to get something I would be happier with. I would also like to be able to tow still. I have a 20' enclosed bumper pull which probably weighs 9,000 Lbs.

Stroke'on

Jon

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Whoops, newbie mistake. Looks like i posted this in the general 6.0 forum not the performance. Hopefully a Moderator can move it over? Sorry wont happen again.

 

I can move the thread, no worries.

205's are a big stick for towing man... you'd be far better off with compounds. A properly matched turbo for 205's is going to be a hot smoky pig when towing. 205's are a pretty big stick...

What are your power goals?

As for the factory fuel pressure regulator... yeah, it's kind of a joke. It's a pretty inefficient way of regulating. I would buy an actual regulated return, like the one from dozers diesel or something, they're one of the best priced one's I've seen. What are you going to do for a fuel pump? I would get a sump in the tank (Hellmanns, TSD, Alligator, etc, everyone is making these now), run to the pump direct, then from the pump up to a "Y" and directly into the heads. Probably have to add some filtration in there somewhere too. Aeormotive A-1000 pump, filter setup up to you, up to motor, and RR off the back of the heads. Fuelab also makes a good pump from what I hear.

You can probably also just run a pusher pump like an AD150 feeding the stock pump and run it up to the bowl like normal (this way you retain factory fuel filters) and just put a REALLY stiff spring in the bowl up at the filter (the spring is what regulates the fuel now). Basically as pressure builds, the spring just pops and allows pressure to bleed off, but it's not very accurate.

Obviously a fuel pressure gauge is necessary for this application.


What truck do you have? SB/LB? CC/SC/RC? 2 or 4 wheel drive?

Best bet for 205's and towing is compounds for sure. A small set of compounds would be sweet, like a 62 or 64 high pressure and an S475/S478 something in that range... that'd be a KILLER street terror/tow truck still...

 

Mdub,
thanks for your response. You're the first that didn't try to bash me for running 205's with a stock charger for a short time.

I am guessing you suggest compounds because it will give me enough air at the low end to burn efficiently? i was actually thinking along the lines of compounding a Procharger and a nice larger turbo. What are your thoughts on that setup?

My power goal is a bit complicated actually. My real desire is to build a 6.0 monster. I would really like to reach for the 1200hp mark in a standard cab truck. however that is not going to happen for several years. So My plan as it stands is to go as big as i can in my daily driven 350 Crew Cab 8' bed 4wd, while still maintaining drive-ability and tow-ability. Then when I can find and afford to purchase the "race" truck I will swap motors and keep building till i reach that goal. The Crew Cab truck then will be back to basic upgrades and continue to be my daily driver and tow vehicle.

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Would an upgrade for fuel pump be absolutely necessary for the 205's? i've been hearing so much bad news about the Airdog and FASS pumps, it is scaring me. I already have the bluespring upgrade which did make a very noticeable difference to the smoothness of the pedal/acceleration.

If i did sump, Aeromotive pump route, what kind of filtration setup should i do? I've been looking around and pretty much only found Filter only and Filter/water separator only, no dual filtration units. Does anything like this exist aside from AD and FASS?

 

i would def do like mdub said and check out dozers diesel also. they have great prices on fuel systems and injectors and they even offer a HP "KITS", but if you have the funds... elite makes a really nice fuel system, but is NOT cheap.

 

I am doing my own kit it is still expensive but my kit is far more complete than the other guys. Even thinking about selling it to. I've also come up with a new intake setup for guys who are tired of blowing those darn boots off when making high boost pressure. One that includes the upgraded mishimoto intercooler.

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how about a filter setup like this? Just use one 10Micron filter/separator and a 2 micron filter.
WVO BIO Diesel Dual Remote Mount FRAM PS3712 Fuel Filter Water Separator~New | eBay

 

That's the beauty of tuning, fuel can be pulled out of the tunes to make it driveable until you figure out what you want for turbo. It's much harder to cheat on the turbo (can't put a large turbo on with stock sticks and drive it like that for a while). My buddy was running 225's with a stocker and then a powermax, so it can be done. Just have to be smart about what you're doing with the truck.

I suggest compounds because it's the only way you'll get the fuel cleared up to tow with. As a street truck that does no tow duty, a big single will still be smoky and hard to drive in some areas, but with a heavy trailer it will be down right impossible. Compounds will spool quick and clean up all the fuel on top too. That would be a sweeeeet tow rig. You might want to try and get in contact with Shawn Ellerton. He's got a 1200hp rig now, and has done more compound turbo setups on 6.0's than anyone I can think of. He's tried and tested tons of combos. They just built a CC dually last year with 225's and compounds, bad *** tow rig. Trans actually held up for a short while behind it too surprisingly.

Which brings up another point, are you going to factor in a transmission into this? There's a few good places to get them built now, but $5500ish is the going rate.

As for the procharger setup, I've followed the trucks running them and it definitely seems interesting, but it seems the jury may still be out on the bang for the buck there. I think they're pretty bad ***, but you might be putting a lot of time/money into that project.

You are definitely going to need some sort of fuel system for sure. Contact Dozers for the RR, and pump is up to you. I bet JJ at Dozers will have the filter bases and filters for just what you're asking too. Or I'm sure maybe one of the sponsors here has something for you, but the 6.0 section doesn't seem to get much love from sponsors.

Yes, Dozers has good inexpensive fuel system solutions, and they sell Warren Injectors, which I would use myself.


Most guys just go to a V-band setup when they start pushing big boost numbers to avoid blowing boots etc.



Honestly, knowing what I know now about your power goals and what you want to do with everything, I'd keep your build relatively simple If you're planning on yanking this motor anyways when you get a RC, then you can do all the crazy fab work when it gets stuffed into another truck.

I'd go with 190/100% injectors, an AD150 or similar feeding the stock pump, regulated return, and a 62 or 64mm turbo. I would base my choice for turbo off the fact that it can be used as a high pressure turbo in a compound system later, so you can just stick a S480 in front of it later down the road and have an 800hp capable truck.

1000+ is going to require a lot more work. Ellerton was running an S510 up top, it's a MONSTER turbo. Something like the 104mm area? Maybe a 101mm? Big boy stuff.

Too bad you didn't pick up Deranged when it was for sale a little while back. That was a 1200hp capable motor stuffed into a rc/sb ford ranger...

 

We didnt bash you on the other boards. We gave you advice just like the others posted here but you chose to stay with 205s.

You are going to regret running those sticks till you get a bigger turbo setup.

 

Normally I would have totally agreed, but I think tuning has come a long way. I told my buddy the same thing, as he put 225's in his truck and was on a stock turbo, and even when he bought a turbo he only went up to a powermax... Eric must have pulled some serious fuel out of his tunes because the thing would barely even smoke, the PM was cleaning up whatever it was putting out. Though, it wasn't any faster than when it was just tuned at the track too. So maybe it'd be worthwhile to just call some of the tuners and see what they say. 205's can flow an *** load of fuel...

 

Heavyassault,
I would really rather not have a battle. I am trying to get answers to the questions I have which were not answered, but looked over and left with unnecessary comments instead.

Mdub,
I'm more of a do it once guy. If I am going to buy injectors, i would rather buy them once. not buy a smaller set to meet my immediate goal then have to buy them again later. I guess I should change my thinking a little bit and ask, what kind of power can i squeeze out of 205's? Are they going to help me get to my 1000 mark in 3-5 years or am i wasting my money there? For now, I would like to try to reach a half way mark. I have been saying to my self I have to hit 600Hp buy maybe i need to be realistic here and accept 500hp?

BTW, Im still not clear. If I do install a regulated return, can i just pull out the spring and plug in the stock regulator and call it a day? (If I maintain stock filters, I am still undecided).

Happy Friday,
-Jon

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How would a set of 6.4 turbo's do with 205's. It would take some fabrication but that doesn't bother me any.

 

I don't see 205s ever getting to 1000, your going to need large hybrids and those are generally not a good daily driver due to major fuel dilution in the oil.

225s are said to be good for 750ish.

If you pull the spring out of the bowl you'll build no pressure at all. Just put a really stiff spring in there. Stretch the stocker out that will stiffen it up.

Unfortunately i don't see you having a reliable 600hp daily driver and a 1000 race truck on the same injector.