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Huge gains from FICM ONLY tune!

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Old 02-27-2012 | 02:21 PM
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Up Huge gains from FICM ONLY tune!

Yes folks, that's right. Those crazy guys at the PHP labs who brought you the very first FICM reflashes have been cooking up a whole new brand of insanity! We make "Crazy Eddie" look like he's been given a dose of Thorazine. You wanted the biggest and baddest FICM tune? Check this out!!!

Stock: 329 HP @ 3050 RPM & 598 Ft./Lbs. @ 2150 RPM
Mod: 440 HP @ 3050 RPM & 899 Ft./Lbs. @ 2250 RPM


Test Vehicle Parameters:
2004 F-250 Single Cab 2WD
Stock Exhaust (including Cat), Stock Airbox, Head Studs, EGR Cooler Delete
ECM strategy VXBC6N4
FICM strategy ARZ2AL10 (which includes mild Inductive Heating.)


(This example is with a stock ECM strategy.)

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We're talking about 111 HP and 301 Ft./Lbs. (peak to peak, with 135 HP and 307 Ft./Lbs. max gain) of certifiable crazy! Plus, this tune still runs the "mild" Inductive Heating Strategy so you won't have any cold start issues. Keep in mind that this is on a BONE STOCK ECM strategy. For improved high RPM performance, you can combine this with a modified ECM/TCM strategy. Take a look at this plot:

(This example is with a modified ECM strategy.)

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As you can see, we've pretty much maxed out the capabilities of the injectors, so we needed a little extra "juice". Since we're already crazy (and we just happened to have it), we also ran a few runs with our Snow Performance Water Meth kit. We used their 49% methanol "Boost Juice" and are running the 175ml economy and 625ml power nozzles. Here's how it sized up:

(This example is with a modified ECM strategy and Water/Meth.)

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Yes folks, that's 482 HP @ 3075 RPM and a whopping 1035 Ft./Lbs. @ 2250 RPM. On a 280,000 mile engine!!! Have we got chrome-moly cajones, or what? :doh:

Up next: Dieselsite 6.0L Adrenaline HPOP, 190cc Full Force Injectors, Diamond Eye 4" Exhaust (with single center stack), and modified airbox (as yet to be determined). Time to go break some sh....tuffff!

Note: All our test runs are made on our Mustang Dyno with Eddy Current Load Cell. Loaded dynos provide the most accurate RWHP numbers for both stock and modified power runs.
 
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Old 02-27-2012 | 03:17 PM
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I asked Bill to post this here for you guys to see.

A couple more points I want to add...

his base stock numbers seem higher than normal, but that doesn't really matter. What matters is the improvement number, not overall numbers. The improvement is large, no matter where it started.

Also keep in mind, this is just another method of gaining power, instead of tuning through the ECM, however those of you who already are tuned via an SCT or the likes, you're not going to get these huge gains ON TOP of what you already have, but you will notice SOME gain. The stock sticks really are the limiting factor here, and I look forward to seeing more of Bill's testing once he upgrades to those 190's!

Bill, what % nozzles are you going with on your 190's?

Also, how does this type of tuning with these gains compare to just a custom tuned SCT, where the SCT takes care of transmission tuning as well? I've been wondering this all day...

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Old 02-27-2012 | 07:57 PM
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Wow thats impressive. How much does it cast to get that done?
 
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Old 02-28-2012 | 01:27 AM
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subscribed! I would like to know more about the gains with a programmer also if there would be any.
 
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Old 02-28-2012 | 02:32 AM
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Okay, so we got a little more dyno testing done tonight with a variety of combinations. We've also lined up 2 new FICM strategies to complement the "Hercules" version... The Atlas 40 and Atlas 80. These are going to be more designed for everyday street use, with the Hercules being more for all-out performance.

You are going to see some slight differences in the power levels on these runs as our dyno environment was about 35-40 degrees hotter than it was when we made our original runs. It was nighttime and we had to close the big door in order to not totally **** off the neighborhood behind the shop. However, the gains are still pretty consistent with what we had achieved on our earlier runs. I've only put together two graphs as it's 3:00 in the morning and I'd like to get some sleep. These graphs are "Stock Tune with All FICM levels" and "100R Tune with All FICM levels". I can put together other combinations, if anyone is interested. I did NOT dyno the lower programs in conjunction with the FICM tunes, but might be able to at a later time just to have a reference point. So without further ado, here are tonight's plots.

(This example is with a stock ECM strategy.)

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(This example is with a stock 100 Race strategy.)

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One thing we did do today was run the Hercules FICM tune with a stock ECM/TCM strategy on the the street. As expected, the 3-5 shift would initially have a slight flare at moderate to heavy throttle, but after about 15 minutes the TCM adapted and everything settled in and shifted quite well. When running the Atlas 40 and Atlas 80 tunes, the flare was considerably less noticeable (pretty much non-existent on the Atlas 40 tune) and took less time for the TCM to relearn. Of course, running a modified shifting strategy is the ideal situation for running ANY tunes over about 375 RWHP, but I was really impressed at how quickly the TCM adapted to the higher power FICM levels.

Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. I'm too tired right now to post peak numbers and gains, but will try to get some up tomorrow.

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Old 02-28-2012 | 07:51 AM
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Good info bill. Could you maybe post some pricing up for the FICM tuning? I've been looking at getting mine done recently. I may even send you a stock 48V unit to tune and a 58V unit to tune. Do you see any benefit to having a 58V tuned?
 
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Old 02-28-2012 | 08:07 AM
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From the other dyno runs a 58V doesn't add enough to the mix.
 
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Old 02-28-2012 | 08:09 AM
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A 58V by itself has shown 40rwhp on the dyno (custom tuned SCT truck, then added the 58V on top of the tuning)... the quicker acting electronics actually increase timing a touch. I'm just not sure doing both, the 58V and the tuning, would net much over doing each individually.
 
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Old 02-28-2012 | 08:34 AM
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im hoping to get both done soon 58v and tuning. i would like to know some pricing on this if possible.
 
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Old 02-28-2012 | 08:51 AM
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PHP doesn't offer 58V upgrades, as far as I know. Swamps is one of the only one's doing that. Quicktrick may do the 58V but I'm not sure if they do it in house or farm it out. For tuning, there is PHP, Innovative, Quicktrick, and KEM, as far as I know. I know Swamps shows they do tuning on their website, and Innovative offers 58V, but they're using each other for those services. So if you order a 58V tuned FICM from Swamps, Swamps is doing the 58V upgrade, and Innovative is doing the tuning, and vice versa.
 


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