big problem or little problem?
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big problem or little problem?
alright yall i drive a cummins but i have a powerstroke in the shop and i need some help.. customer complained about it running rough. brought it in let it sit overnight.. tried to start in morning and wouldntcustomer states thats since day one its hard to start unless its a really hot day then it arts easy...pulled codes i got p132b,p0265,p0266,p0341,p0603,p0676,p2287,p2614,p2 617. this oil pump injector ecu cam sensor or what yall thinking? any and all help would b great. thanks
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FICM, Fuel Injection Control Module. It's located on the drivers side valve cover. There is a little cover held on with 2 torx screws, need to pull that off, and get a multi-meter on there. This will tell you how to do it... 6.0's, FICM's and Cold Start Problems - PowerStrokeNation
Without looking up all of those codes, some of them look familiar. I see an boost condition code, meaning you need to clean your turbo, and your EPB tube and the EPB sensor (exhaust back pressure sensor).
I also see EGR codes, so if you still have an EGR valve, clean that too
I see FICM and injector codes. The injector codes could just because the FICM is dying. The FICM takes 12V and turns it into 48V and drives the injectors, they become weak over time and voltage drops, truck runs like crap and it will throw injector codes, even though the injectors may be ok. I will look up all of the codes tomorrow when I have time and give details on what I think is really going on, but in the mean time, I'd look at cleaning the turbo... DTS Articles - Turbocharger Reconditioning
Get the coffee table book for your truck here: DTS Articles - Coffee Table Books It will tell you where to find the EGR valve and the EPB sensor/tube if you don't know. This should get you started.
Without looking up all of those codes, some of them look familiar. I see an boost condition code, meaning you need to clean your turbo, and your EPB tube and the EPB sensor (exhaust back pressure sensor).
I also see EGR codes, so if you still have an EGR valve, clean that too
I see FICM and injector codes. The injector codes could just because the FICM is dying. The FICM takes 12V and turns it into 48V and drives the injectors, they become weak over time and voltage drops, truck runs like crap and it will throw injector codes, even though the injectors may be ok. I will look up all of the codes tomorrow when I have time and give details on what I think is really going on, but in the mean time, I'd look at cleaning the turbo... DTS Articles - Turbocharger Reconditioning
Get the coffee table book for your truck here: DTS Articles - Coffee Table Books It will tell you where to find the EGR valve and the EPB sensor/tube if you don't know. This should get you started.
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I just had an enormous response typed up with all of the trouble codes and causes and I just accidentally hit the "back" button... arggghhhh. Hold on here...
p132b, - is a fault code that is set if the required MAP (boost) levels are not achieved during a learn cycle or at specific speed fuel demand points. The usual suspects are either turbo problems (should not be the case with a freshly cleaned turbo), MAF sensor, MAP sensor/hose, intake or exhaust leaks. This code will also come up on some trucks that have aftermarket exhaust or intakes on them.
p0265 - INJ Cylinder #2 injector circuit high Circuit short to ground or voltage, fuel injector, FICM
p0266 - INJ Cylinder #2 contribution/balance Power cylinder, valve train or injector
p0341 - CMP Camshaft position sensor A circuit range/performance (bank 1 or signal sensor) Camshaft sensor circuit
p0603 - PCED Powertrain control module keep alive memory (KAM) error Faulty connection, faulty PCM
p0676 - GPCM Cylinder 6 glow plug circuit Circuit open, short to ground, short to voltage, faulty glow plug. I wouldn't worry about this one right now, figure everything else out then replace this glow plug.
p2287 - Injector Ctrl Pressure Sens Circ Interm code
p2614 - Camshaft position output circuit Incorrect CMP signal
p2617 - Crankshaft position output circuit Incorrect CKP signal
Ok, my diagnosis is going to change a little bit after seeing all of the codes. I would still like you to test the FICM, as it's easy to do, and will give us a starting point.
The crankshaft and camshaft position codes... well it's rare that even one of these sensors will fail, and the likely hood of both of them failing... almost not existant. These codes are typically thrown on a truck that wont start and is being cranked a lot trying to restart, I would ignore them for now.
I see an ICP code, I would probably start here (after the FICM testing). Do you have a way to test this? Probably just needs to be replaced. On an 03 model the ICP is behind the turbo on the back of the motor. You might as well do it when you're in there testing the FICM, you have to remove most of the same stuff to get back there, and it would certainly cause the no start. You may have other underlying issues here, I'm thinking possibly high pressure oil leak. Try unplugging the ICP sensor and starting the truck. Just start it and shut it off, if it starts it's probably a faulty ICP. When you unplug it, the computer will default to some settings and it should start.
The PCM code is confusing to me, but I would double check all connections on the PCM, make sure all connections are TIGHT.
Let us know what you find with the FICM testing and let's go from there.
What scan tool do you have access to if any?
p132b, - is a fault code that is set if the required MAP (boost) levels are not achieved during a learn cycle or at specific speed fuel demand points. The usual suspects are either turbo problems (should not be the case with a freshly cleaned turbo), MAF sensor, MAP sensor/hose, intake or exhaust leaks. This code will also come up on some trucks that have aftermarket exhaust or intakes on them.
p0265 - INJ Cylinder #2 injector circuit high Circuit short to ground or voltage, fuel injector, FICM
p0266 - INJ Cylinder #2 contribution/balance Power cylinder, valve train or injector
p0341 - CMP Camshaft position sensor A circuit range/performance (bank 1 or signal sensor) Camshaft sensor circuit
p0603 - PCED Powertrain control module keep alive memory (KAM) error Faulty connection, faulty PCM
p0676 - GPCM Cylinder 6 glow plug circuit Circuit open, short to ground, short to voltage, faulty glow plug. I wouldn't worry about this one right now, figure everything else out then replace this glow plug.
p2287 - Injector Ctrl Pressure Sens Circ Interm code
p2614 - Camshaft position output circuit Incorrect CMP signal
p2617 - Crankshaft position output circuit Incorrect CKP signal
Ok, my diagnosis is going to change a little bit after seeing all of the codes. I would still like you to test the FICM, as it's easy to do, and will give us a starting point.
The crankshaft and camshaft position codes... well it's rare that even one of these sensors will fail, and the likely hood of both of them failing... almost not existant. These codes are typically thrown on a truck that wont start and is being cranked a lot trying to restart, I would ignore them for now.
I see an ICP code, I would probably start here (after the FICM testing). Do you have a way to test this? Probably just needs to be replaced. On an 03 model the ICP is behind the turbo on the back of the motor. You might as well do it when you're in there testing the FICM, you have to remove most of the same stuff to get back there, and it would certainly cause the no start. You may have other underlying issues here, I'm thinking possibly high pressure oil leak. Try unplugging the ICP sensor and starting the truck. Just start it and shut it off, if it starts it's probably a faulty ICP. When you unplug it, the computer will default to some settings and it should start.
The PCM code is confusing to me, but I would double check all connections on the PCM, make sure all connections are TIGHT.
Let us know what you find with the FICM testing and let's go from there.
What scan tool do you have access to if any?
Last edited by Mdub707; 09-11-2011 at 12:34 PM.